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 Post subject: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:25 am 
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Happiness in players is not very well understood and may seem fairly pointless or even broken. It is a fairly weak rating but actually it does it's job, though it's very simplistic.

One misconception is that happiness and morale are closely related, but actually they're not. There is some minor affect on morale but it's quite small and morale rockets up far faster through other actions, such as training and match results. It may have some impact in the early weeks of the season when you're rushing up to max morale, but I couldn't say for sure if it's noticeable.

Happiness, unlike morale, has no affect on match ratings. It's purely for deciding whether or not the player will sign a new contract. A rating of 250 will mean he'll sign a 1 year contract. 500 = 2 years, 750 = 3 years and 1000 = 4 years (the max). Only two things will affect a player's happiness - wages and match appearances. Unlike other ratings in the game, there is no limit at all on how much happiness can rise or fall in a single week. I can't remember the exact figure, but for every £X above or below the wage that the player EXPECTS to be paid, he'll gain or lose a point of rating. If for example it's £100 per rating and the player expects to be paid £5,000 per week, but you pay him £6,000, then he'll gain 10 points of happiness per week. Ideally, you'd want to be paying your players the exact amount that they expect, just enough to keep them happy enough to sign a new contract.

There has been an obscure bug since the game was written where a player would be at 1 happiness (the minimum) for reasons that I couldn't fathom, but I think Rich has solved it. When a 17 year old signs up as a pro in a new season, he'll be paid £250 per week, which will probably be thousands less than he expected. If my guess of £100 per rating above was correct, and the player has been paid £10,000 less than he expected, he'll lose 100 points on the first week of his pro career. If it's not corrected fast, he may reach the lower limit. This has probably gone unnoticed most of the time, since he has a contract anyway and people will correct his wages shortly afterwards. By the time he's ready for a new contract next season, his happiness has probably already risen back above 250, especially if he's been getting games. I plan on fixing this, if it is indeed the reason for the bug, although I've never seen it affect anybody anyway.

Incidentally, for those who are thinking that they could get away with paying very low wages, but also playing the player, enough to keep him happy, it's a fairly fine line. You could probably get away with paying a player a few hundred pounds less than his expected wages, perhaps £1,000 or so, but you'd run the risk of his happiness dropping below the point where he'll not sign a new contract. Even worse, if you then dropped him for a match and didn't boost his wages, you may end up with a player who won't sign. It's definitely safer to pay a player slightly too much than not enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:16 am 
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I think these threads are an excellent idea, thank you Glynn. Once they are established, perhaps you could encourage those non-forum users to come and join us?

I think the happiness of youths is a bit annoying, especially if you are challenging for a higher place in the youth league, where you want your best players to play every game, only to have to promote them to the first team early (which has the benefit of being able to play them in week 1, of course). Perhaps the default £250 could be increased to have a lesser affect? When FPs sign they get a sensible first wage. This principle could also be applied to AM signings, where the selling manager is being so tight they reduce the wage to £250 at the point of listing, just to save 4 weeks of higher wages. I make a point of not bidding on any such players, from those managers - when I sign a player I'd like them to arrive content not moaning immediately.

A question, Glynn: does the happiness of an individual have any affect on the happiness of others in the squad, or is it solely for the sake of his own contract renewals, as I think you imply?

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:22 am 
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Never heard of anyone reducing the wages of a player they were AM'ing. Have seen players being placed on the market turning 18 and being on £250 a week because of the system which I think is what you are actually seeing.

Certainly wouldn't stop me bidding on a player because of their listed wage but on behalf of the rest of us thank you for not bidding as that makes one less manager to compete with :)

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:30 am 
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I should add before you give examples I am guessing regarding the wages bit as frankly never taken any notice of it (as I am sure most managers don't so all credit to you for looking that bit closer) :)

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:32 am 
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I think some managers do it for every player... it annoys me, so I try and stick to my principles that it isn't in the right spirit of the game. Mind you, I don't have any money to bid with anyway, so your chances of success are increased by a percent or two :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:32 am 
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Charscot wrote:
I should add before you give examples I am guessing regarding the wages bit as frankly never taken any notice of it (as I am sure most managers don't so all credit to you for looking that bit closer) :)


Yeah, don't worry, I wasn't going to post, as it would incriminate the unworthy :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:54 am 
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Charscot wrote:
Never heard of anyone reducing the wages of a player they were AM'ing. Have seen players being placed on the market turning 18 and being on £250 a week because of the system which I think is what you are actually seeing.



Apologies. I am completely and utterly 100% wrong having received examples now from someone who won't be named (thank you). Poor anti-social behaviour on the part of that seller in my opinion to cause the next owner an issue for the sake of saving a few grand.



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Certainly wouldn't stop me bidding on a player because of their listed wage but on behalf of the rest of us thank you for not bidding as that makes one less manager to compete with :)


I am now re-thinking this as the seller is clearly happy to mess up others and I am not sure I want to be sending my money their way in future (and I have won a fair few of their players over time - which shows how unobservant I have been about their wages alteration at the point of listing !! :oops: :oops: :lol: ).

Good info to learn, thanks to John for his post here and the manager who pm'ed myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
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I'm gonna have to have a look too as a bit unsporting maybe to do that. Especially for the sake of what it would actually save them.

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 Post subject: Re: Player Happiness
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:52 am 
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In answer to the question above (sorry, didn't realise there had been replies to this), no, the happiness of a player doesn't rub off on the other players. It's something I dabbled with in various rewrites but not in SS.


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