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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:04 pm 
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Also, if I go with the method above, I'll probably just limit it to one 'tactics' session each week, which will be enforced on the turnsheet (i.e if you try to set a 2nd, it'll just reject it and print a warning message).

That might work, in terms of fairness and fun, since you basically have 1 spare training session each week (presumably more by the end of the season when things are maxxing out a bit). Whether you want to spend that on tactics (which should give a minor boost) or more maxxing out FFM faster might be interesting to fathom out, plus it may vary, depending on results. I think that's the real issue with SS1 training, it's a bit too obvious what to do.


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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:17 pm 
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Possibly, but the reason SS1 has survived so long is because it is relatively easy to grasp the basics early on and I have a feeling a lot of prospective managers will quickly move on if they feel it isn't relatively easy to work out to some extent.

As to relying on forums that is good but there will always be a decent number of players who don't have interest in forums and simply won't use them and basically writing them off as prospective players for the sake of having a rulebook/guide to help seems rather short sighted. Just because you don't read rulebooks doesn't mean everyone doesn't :P :wink: :D

All games have rulebooks and/or guides and they are for good reason. Many players never look at them but still a sizeable number will do.

To an extent it depends on where you ultimately expect the game base to come from, and that has varied over time between existing managers and new players.

Realistically you will need some of the former to get the game off and running and some of the latter as realistically you are not going to get every manager or every manager's teams to move from SS1.

Ironically it sounds like there is less room for individual tactics with 10 sessions than there is currently with 5 as with those five there are a few options teams can use without being punished in matches etc but from your descriptions 90% of the training is basically pre-determined unless we want to lose out ultimately (assuming the balance ends up working as I am sure it will do).

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DEP EL CELTICO.........................WPL37
WASCISCO RED SOX...................WPL43
ZIASTE NEQUENO.......................WPL24
CASTLE ROCK FURIES..................WPL31
AYRHEAD..................................WPL25
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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:37 pm 
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Well it won't be predetermined exactly and it will vary but yes, what you're saying is true. I don't want players to be forced to train 3/3/3 on FFM, but it'll be fairly important. Other factors will mean you can change it though. Depending on what other training sessions are available, you may end up with less choice. Right now in SS1, you do have extra options such as the tactics options which will probably be removed. It's going to take some balancing.

As for the rules, we'll see. If it takes off then yes, I'll probably make a rulesbook. If it doesn't, then I won't :P


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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:45 pm 
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And if it doesn't then I will blame the lack of a guide/rules to help managers for it failing :P :wink:

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WASCISCO RED SOX...................WPL43
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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:01 pm 
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You don't need a rulebook, just an extra tab on the forum named "Ask Rich" :wink:

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AYRHEAD..................................WPL25
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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:00 am 
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It seems that SS2 might be getting to involved. SS1 needed to have more involvement but maybe SS2 is a step to far. Not a criticism bet just an opinion

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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:54 pm 
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I don't think this is too involved, but if it turns out to be, we can pick it up and change it during testing. Testing isn't just to make sure it works, it's also to try to get the game right for everyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:34 pm 
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No doubt as the game is played more it will seem more understandable. Probably an age thing on my behalf and being so used to SS1 which as I say wanted something adding to it

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Southampton Sity (OPAL15) SLFA Cup winners S20 Joosters winner S24 Div 3 champs S25
Sylvan Lake (OPAL17) Div 1 champs S19,S29 SLFA cup winners S32
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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:48 pm 
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Well I think that's a problem in general. People still play SS1 because they're used to it. I still play really old computer games because I actually prefer them to new ones. Updating is a problem, especially when there are only a hundred or so people playing SS1. It's not like I'll be advertising or pushing SS2 - I can't afford it and it won't work anyway. So it's going to be hard to drum up any enthusiasm for it, since SS1 people want SS1. Maybe people will get interested during testing, but I suspect that people are just stuck in their ways and updating won't be very appealing. We'll have to see.


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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:26 pm 
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I assume once the launch of SS2 happens that the turns will be weekly and that the daily turns are for testing oinly. If that is so it will give more time to concentrate on doing the turns which would be required.

Also will skills have +`s against them as SS1?

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Wight Wanderers (OPAL5)
Southampton Sity (OPAL15) SLFA Cup winners S20 Joosters winner S24 Div 3 champs S25
Sylvan Lake (OPAL17) Div 1 champs S19,S29 SLFA cup winners S32
The Islanders (OPAL25)Yth Lge champs S25
Southern Vipers (OPAL48)
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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:02 pm 
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Actually I thought they already had +'s against them. I'll have to check it, but yes they will.

Re : the odds of success, who knows. But it would be better if there were a very large base, in which case I'd be confident. As it stands right now, just about everybody needs to take a team to fill a single league, but I suppose a half-full league might be enough to build on.


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 Post subject: Re: Fitness / Morale.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:10 pm 
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It's a slight exaggeration on Glynn's part. If your starting XI doesn't change you can get away without fitness training but anyone not in the final 13 will be losing fitness so any back up players will lack fitness when called upon due to form loss, injuries, suspensions etc

Also, the youth team will lose fitness whether playing or not and that will have a knock on effect on youth performances (not an enormous effect though).

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DEP EL CELTICO.........................WPL37
WASCISCO RED SOX...................WPL43
ZIASTE NEQUENO.......................WPL24
CASTLE ROCK FURIES..................WPL31
AYRHEAD..................................WPL25
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REVELSTONE..(C 05/6, 08/9)........RH15....(175T)
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